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Kristian Mattarochia, modified 5 Years ago.

Hundreds of New PG&E and SoCal Edison Stations in California

Youngling Posts: 5 Join Date: 4/7/16 Recent Posts

Utility Companies SoCal Edison and PG&E are installing hundreds of stations across California. These stations are proving that some of our RAWS and mesonet sites are inaccurate. How long will it take for these newly installed stations to become a part of RTMA/URMA? They are showing up in IRIS and Mesowest. The SoCal Edison stations are labeled as SC-EDISON and PG&E are PGE.

Here's an example, a station I just submitted for blacklisting is E2888, it has a large warm bias. A SC-EDISON station just to the north called RECTOR LANE (PG233) has proven that warm bias. Although, the RECTOR LANE station is being ingested on the Google Earth image that shows all the RTMA stations, some are not. We've met with PG&E and observed the SoCal Edison stations and they are of high quality, at least for my CWA. I think ingesting them into RTMA/URMA ASAP would really provide improvements to NBM in our most geographically challenging areas. Thanks. 

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Brian Miretzky, modified 5 Years ago.

RE: Hundreds of New PG&E and SoCal Edison Stations in California

Youngling Posts: 47 Join Date: 1/8/13 Recent Posts
Kris,

Get them in contact with MADIS so that they are added to it. That is the way to go.

Thanks,

Brian

On Mon, Jul 15, 2019 at 1:47 PM VLab Notifications <VLab.Notifications@noaa.gov> wrote:

Utility Companies SoCal Edison and PG&E are installing hundreds of stations across California. These stations are proving that some of our RAWS and mesonet sites are inaccurate. How long will it take for these newly installed stations to become a part of RTMA/URMA? They are showing up in IRIS and Mesowest. The SoCal Edison stations are labeled as SC-EDISON and PG&E are PGE.

Here's an example, a station I just submitted for blacklisting is E2888, it has a large warm bias. A SC-EDISON station just to the north called RECTOR LANE (PG233) has proven that warm bias. Although, the RECTOR LANE station is being ingested on the Google Earth image that shows all the RTMA stations, some are not. We've met with PG&E and observed the SoCal Edison stations and they are of high quality, at least for my CWA. I think ingesting them into RTMA/URMA ASAP would really provide improvements to NBM in our most geographically challenging areas. Thanks. 


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Kristian Mattarochia RTMA/URMA Discussion Group Virtual Lab Forum https://vlab.noaa.gov/web/715073/home/-/message_boards/view_message/7097705 VLab.Notifications@noaa.gov
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Steven Levine, modified 5 Years ago.

RE: Hundreds of New PG&E and SoCal Edison Stations in California

Youngling Posts: 174 Join Date: 11/13/14 Recent Posts
Kristian,

If the utility company is providing data to MesoWest, and you can see the relevant obs on MesoWest, that means that we *should* be getting the data already through MADIS.  

I can confirm that the site you have listed (PG233) is getting to us and except for winds is getting into URMA.  However the station is reporting to us simply as MesoWest without any subprovider info, and that makes it harder to slice and dice.  We are getting many other stations with ID's starting with PG in the general area as well.  I can't confirm all of them at the moment but I'll take that as a good sign.

If you have a list/spreadsheet of relevant stations we can cross-check to confirm.

I see the flag requests you've put in over the past couple of weeks, and I should get to those by mid-week.

Steve

On Mon, Jul 15, 2019 at 2:24 PM VLab Notifications <VLab.Notifications@noaa.gov> wrote:
Kris,

Get them in contact with MADIS so that they are added to it. That is the way to go.

Thanks,

Brian

On Mon, Jul 15, 2019 at 1:47 PM VLab Notifications <VLab.Notifications@noaa.gov> wrote:

Utility Companies SoCal Edison and PG&E are installing hundreds of stations across California. These stations are proving that some of our RAWS and mesonet sites are inaccurate. How long will it take for these newly installed stations to become a part of RTMA/URMA? They are showing up in IRIS and Mesowest. The SoCal Edison stations are labeled as SC-EDISON and PG&E are PGE.

Here's an example, a station I just submitted for blacklisting is E2888, it has a large warm bias. A SC-EDISON station just to the north called RECTOR LANE (PG233) has proven that warm bias. Although, the RECTOR LANE station is being ingested on the Google Earth image that shows all the RTMA stations, some are not. We've met with PG&E and observed the SoCal Edison stations and they are of high quality, at least for my CWA. I think ingesting them into RTMA/URMA ASAP would really provide improvements to NBM in our most geographically challenging areas. Thanks. 


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Kristian Mattarochia RTMA/URMA Discussion Group Virtual Lab Forum https://vlab.noaa.gov/web/715073/home/-/message_boards/view_message/7097705 VLab.Notifications@noaa.gov

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Brian Miretzky RTMA/URMA Discussion Group Virtual Lab Forum http://vlab.noaa.gov/web/715073/home/-/message_boards/view_message/7097863 VLab.Notifications@noaa.gov
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Kristian Mattarochia, modified 5 Years ago.

RE: Hundreds of New PG&E and SoCal Edison Stations in California

Youngling Posts: 5 Join Date: 4/7/16 Recent Posts
Hi Steve, 

I will have to check known PG&E and SoCal Edison stations to see how they show up on your google earth URMA page with regards to IDs. There are hundreds being installed between the two companies, we need to know which company owns which. However, I do have the boundaries of PG&E's service area, which does not include our entire CWA. Msot of these "new" stations will be PG&E except for many that have gone up in southern Kern. 

On Mon, Jul 22, 2019 at 9:51 AM VLab Notifications <VLab.Notifications@noaa.gov> wrote:
Kristian,

If the utility company is providing data to MesoWest, and you can see the relevant obs on MesoWest, that means that we *should* be getting the data already through MADIS.  

I can confirm that the site you have listed (PG233) is getting to us and except for winds is getting into URMA.  However the station is reporting to us simply as MesoWest without any subprovider info, and that makes it harder to slice and dice.  We are getting many other stations with ID's starting with PG in the general area as well.  I can't confirm all of them at the moment but I'll take that as a good sign.

If you have a list/spreadsheet of relevant stations we can cross-check to confirm.

I see the flag requests you've put in over the past couple of weeks, and I should get to those by mid-week.

Steve

On Mon, Jul 15, 2019 at 2:24 PM VLab Notifications <VLab.Notifications@noaa.gov> wrote:
Kris,

Get them in contact with MADIS so that they are added to it. That is the way to go.

Thanks,

Brian

On Mon, Jul 15, 2019 at 1:47 PM VLab Notifications <VLab.Notifications@noaa.gov> wrote:

Utility Companies SoCal Edison and PG&E are installing hundreds of stations across California. These stations are proving that some of our RAWS and mesonet sites are inaccurate. How long will it take for these newly installed stations to become a part of RTMA/URMA? They are showing up in IRIS and Mesowest. The SoCal Edison stations are labeled as SC-EDISON and PG&E are PGE.

Here's an example, a station I just submitted for blacklisting is E2888, it has a large warm bias. A SC-EDISON station just to the north called RECTOR LANE (PG233) has proven that warm bias. Although, the RECTOR LANE station is being ingested on the Google Earth image that shows all the RTMA stations, some are not. We've met with PG&E and observed the SoCal Edison stations and they are of high quality, at least for my CWA. I think ingesting them into RTMA/URMA ASAP would really provide improvements to NBM in our most geographically challenging areas. Thanks. 


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Kristian Mattarochia RTMA/URMA Discussion Group Virtual Lab Forum https://vlab.noaa.gov/web/715073/home/-/message_boards/view_message/7097705 VLab.Notifications@noaa.gov

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Brian Miretzky RTMA/URMA Discussion Group Virtual Lab Forum http://vlab.noaa.gov/web/715073/home/-/message_boards/view_message/7097863 VLab.Notifications@noaa.gov

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Steven Levine RTMA/URMA Discussion Group Virtual Lab Forum http://vlab.noaa.gov/web/715073/home/-/message_boards/view_message/7161199 VLab.Notifications@noaa.gov


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Kris Mattarochia
Science and Operations Officer 
National Weather Service San Joaquin Valley - HNX
Hanford, CA
(559) 584-0583 x224

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Steven Levine, modified 5 Years ago.

RE: Hundreds of New PG&E and SoCal Edison Stations in California

Youngling Posts: 174 Join Date: 11/13/14 Recent Posts
Kristian and all,

SoCal Edison, PG&E, and San Diego Gas & Electric stations are now definitely flowing through MesoWest and into RTMA/URMA.  In addition, in our new version, all of these stations will be marked at being 6 m (rather than 10 m) above the ground as part of our wind-adjustment routine.

Steve

On Mon, Jul 22, 2019 at 3:19 PM VLab Notifications <VLab.Notifications@noaa.gov> wrote:
Hi Steve, 

I will have to check known PG&E and SoCal Edison stations to see how they show up on your google earth URMA page with regards to IDs. There are hundreds being installed between the two companies, we need to know which company owns which. However, I do have the boundaries of PG&E's service area, which does not include our entire CWA. Msot of these "new" stations will be PG&E except for many that have gone up in southern Kern. 

On Mon, Jul 22, 2019 at 9:51 AM VLab Notifications <VLab.Notifications@noaa.gov> wrote:
Kristian,

If the utility company is providing data to MesoWest, and you can see the relevant obs on MesoWest, that means that we *should* be getting the data already through MADIS.  

I can confirm that the site you have listed (PG233) is getting to us and except for winds is getting into URMA.  However the station is reporting to us simply as MesoWest without any subprovider info, and that makes it harder to slice and dice.  We are getting many other stations with ID's starting with PG in the general area as well.  I can't confirm all of them at the moment but I'll take that as a good sign.

If you have a list/spreadsheet of relevant stations we can cross-check to confirm.

I see the flag requests you've put in over the past couple of weeks, and I should get to those by mid-week.

Steve

On Mon, Jul 15, 2019 at 2:24 PM VLab Notifications <VLab.Notifications@noaa.gov> wrote:
Kris,

Get them in contact with MADIS so that they are added to it. That is the way to go.

Thanks,

Brian

On Mon, Jul 15, 2019 at 1:47 PM VLab Notifications <VLab.Notifications@noaa.gov> wrote:

Utility Companies SoCal Edison and PG&E are installing hundreds of stations across California. These stations are proving that some of our RAWS and mesonet sites are inaccurate. How long will it take for these newly installed stations to become a part of RTMA/URMA? They are showing up in IRIS and Mesowest. The SoCal Edison stations are labeled as SC-EDISON and PG&E are PGE.

Here's an example, a station I just submitted for blacklisting is E2888, it has a large warm bias. A SC-EDISON station just to the north called RECTOR LANE (PG233) has proven that warm bias. Although, the RECTOR LANE station is being ingested on the Google Earth image that shows all the RTMA stations, some are not. We've met with PG&E and observed the SoCal Edison stations and they are of high quality, at least for my CWA. I think ingesting them into RTMA/URMA ASAP would really provide improvements to NBM in our most geographically challenging areas. Thanks. 


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Kristian Mattarochia RTMA/URMA Discussion Group Virtual Lab Forum https://vlab.noaa.gov/web/715073/home/-/message_boards/view_message/7097705 VLab.Notifications@noaa.gov

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Brian Miretzky RTMA/URMA Discussion Group Virtual Lab Forum http://vlab.noaa.gov/web/715073/home/-/message_boards/view_message/7097863 VLab.Notifications@noaa.gov

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Steven Levine RTMA/URMA Discussion Group Virtual Lab Forum http://vlab.noaa.gov/web/715073/home/-/message_boards/view_message/7161199 VLab.Notifications@noaa.gov


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Kris Mattarochia
Science and Operations Officer 
National Weather Service San Joaquin Valley - HNX
Hanford, CA
(559) 584-0583 x224


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Kristian Mattarochia RTMA/URMA Discussion Group Virtual Lab Forum http://vlab.noaa.gov/web/715073/home/-/message_boards/view_message/7162493 VLab.Notifications@noaa.gov
KM
Kristian Mattarochia, modified 5 Years ago.

RE: Hundreds of New PG&E and SoCal Edison Stations in California

Youngling Posts: 5 Join Date: 4/7/16 Recent Posts
Thanks Steven!

On Thu, Sep 19, 2019 at 10:29 AM VLab Notifications <VLab.Notifications@noaa.gov> wrote:
Kristian and all,

SoCal Edison, PG&E, and San Diego Gas & Electric stations are now definitely flowing through MesoWest and into RTMA/URMA.  In addition, in our new version, all of these stations will be marked at being 6 m (rather than 10 m) above the ground as part of our wind-adjustment routine.

Steve

On Mon, Jul 22, 2019 at 3:19 PM VLab Notifications <VLab.Notifications@noaa.gov> wrote:
Hi Steve, 

I will have to check known PG&E and SoCal Edison stations to see how they show up on your google earth URMA page with regards to IDs. There are hundreds being installed between the two companies, we need to know which company owns which. However, I do have the boundaries of PG&E's service area, which does not include our entire CWA. Msot of these "new" stations will be PG&E except for many that have gone up in southern Kern. 

On Mon, Jul 22, 2019 at 9:51 AM VLab Notifications <VLab.Notifications@noaa.gov> wrote:
Kristian,

If the utility company is providing data to MesoWest, and you can see the relevant obs on MesoWest, that means that we *should* be getting the data already through MADIS.  

I can confirm that the site you have listed (PG233) is getting to us and except for winds is getting into URMA.  However the station is reporting to us simply as MesoWest without any subprovider info, and that makes it harder to slice and dice.  We are getting many other stations with ID's starting with PG in the general area as well.  I can't confirm all of them at the moment but I'll take that as a good sign.

If you have a list/spreadsheet of relevant stations we can cross-check to confirm.

I see the flag requests you've put in over the past couple of weeks, and I should get to those by mid-week.

Steve

On Mon, Jul 15, 2019 at 2:24 PM VLab Notifications <VLab.Notifications@noaa.gov> wrote:
Kris,

Get them in contact with MADIS so that they are added to it. That is the way to go.

Thanks,

Brian

On Mon, Jul 15, 2019 at 1:47 PM VLab Notifications <VLab.Notifications@noaa.gov> wrote:

Utility Companies SoCal Edison and PG&E are installing hundreds of stations across California. These stations are proving that some of our RAWS and mesonet sites are inaccurate. How long will it take for these newly installed stations to become a part of RTMA/URMA? They are showing up in IRIS and Mesowest. The SoCal Edison stations are labeled as SC-EDISON and PG&E are PGE.

Here's an example, a station I just submitted for blacklisting is E2888, it has a large warm bias. A SC-EDISON station just to the north called RECTOR LANE (PG233) has proven that warm bias. Although, the RECTOR LANE station is being ingested on the Google Earth image that shows all the RTMA stations, some are not. We've met with PG&E and observed the SoCal Edison stations and they are of high quality, at least for my CWA. I think ingesting them into RTMA/URMA ASAP would really provide improvements to NBM in our most geographically challenging areas. Thanks. 


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Kristian Mattarochia RTMA/URMA Discussion Group Virtual Lab Forum https://vlab.noaa.gov/web/715073/home/-/message_boards/view_message/7097705 VLab.Notifications@noaa.gov

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Brian Miretzky RTMA/URMA Discussion Group Virtual Lab Forum http://vlab.noaa.gov/web/715073/home/-/message_boards/view_message/7097863 VLab.Notifications@noaa.gov

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Steven Levine RTMA/URMA Discussion Group Virtual Lab Forum http://vlab.noaa.gov/web/715073/home/-/message_boards/view_message/7161199 VLab.Notifications@noaa.gov


--
Kris Mattarochia
Science and Operations Officer 
National Weather Service San Joaquin Valley - HNX
Hanford, CA
(559) 584-0583 x224


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Kristian Mattarochia RTMA/URMA Discussion Group Virtual Lab Forum http://vlab.noaa.gov/web/715073/home/-/message_boards/view_message/7162493 VLab.Notifications@noaa.gov

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Steven Levine RTMA/URMA Discussion Group Virtual Lab Forum http://vlab.noaa.gov/web/715073/home/-/message_boards/view_message/7640398 VLab.Notifications@noaa.gov


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Kris Mattarochia
Science and Operations Officer 
National Weather Service San Joaquin Valley - HNX
Hanford, CA
(559) 584-0583 x224

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