Precipitation forecasts in GFSX

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Glenn White, modified 8 Years ago.

Precipitation forecasts in GFSX

Youngling Posts: 3 Join Date: 1/12/15 Recent Posts

Email fromAndy E:

I have been watching the new GFS on the WR side by side web page -- initially the two models looked pretty much the same -- but now that the synoptic regime has become more active during the last week -- there are some notable differences - especially during the last 3-5 days

As a reminder

Here is the link http://ssd.wrh.noaa.gov/gfs/html

I like to click on the Dprog/dt button -- upper left corner

Then step through the animation by hand --

Note: as always -- please double check the times -- the data acquisition scripts to pull data from NCEP are not infallible

Question for NCEP: This is subjective feedback -- but some of the forecast solution bouncing around and differences between the two models is pretty significant.

Please look at the surface and precip forecast fields, the new GFS model precipitation amounts can vary a lot run to run and be much different at times from the current GFS. The new GFS solutions seems to bounce around more than the op GFS version. I believe more than you can write off as natural model variability.

Some of the WR STID folks have noticed similar differences this week.

I am suspicious that the data assimilation first guess fields are more different (run to run) between the two models than we expected.

NCEP -- you have some better diagnostic tools...what is your interpretation? Is there an issue with moisture data assimilation?

Hopefully this gets a conversation started

Glenn White, modified 8 Years ago.

RE: Precipitation forecasts in GFSX

Youngling Posts: 3 Join Date: 1/12/15 Recent Posts

Equitable threat scoeres for the GFSX seem higher than the operational, but so is the standard deviation of 120 hr forecasts of precip every 6 hours. Th latter is consistent with less continuity.

EMC will try to look at this.

Glenn White

Glenn White, modified 8 Years ago.

RE: Precipitation forecasts in GFSX

Youngling Posts: 3 Join Date: 1/12/15 Recent Posts

Based on 13 months of retrospective so far, for thresholds of 0.2 to 15 mm and forecast lengths of 0-24 to 84-108 hrs, seventy of 120 categories of precipitation forecasts show statistically significant improvement in the GFSX compared t the GFS.

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