Update VLAB Training Page with "new" version of Edit Retention docs?

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Kevin Huyck, modified 29 Days ago.

Update VLAB Training Page with "new" version of Edit Retention docs?

Youngling Posts: 10 Join Date: 7/6/14 Recent Posts

Hi, folks.

Thank you for your help over the years. Despite my occasional grumbling, I am grateful for the work of the team. ForecastBuilder is a wonderful tool and greatly simplifies the forecast process. From my perspective it almost makes the process too easy, which is the source of frustration when things don't " just work". That is a real testament to the great work you all have done.

In light of the increased reliance on EditRetention as part of the WPC 4-7 paradigm, I wanted to review my understanding of EditRetention. Upon reviewing the Edit Retention docs available at https://vlab.noaa.gov/web/forecastbuilder/training I noticed they seemed out of date.

I would be grateful if the team could update the Training Page to include the latest version of the EditRetention documentation and think it would be welcome by the field. These are the documents I located. If these are also out of date, please share the location of the latest documentation.

Edit Retention 2.0 Quick Guide - https://docs.google.com/presentation/u/0/d/1kj8y-5pR9Zjbh3HNwsto33qxGYfbUAb6aWW0JKl17Ik/edit?usp=sharing
Edit Retention 2.0 "Updates" - https://docs.google.com/presentation/u/0/d/1KDzu6q2qlo7wupmT19nZ307K9Kf_6FsBZ4NKgD3rJyY/edit?usp=sharing

Thank you, again.

With gratitude and appreciation,

Kevin Huyck - KB9WOB
Meteorologist, NOAA/National Weather Service
kevin.huyck@noaa.gov

5027 Miller Trunk Highway
Duluth, MN 55811-1442
(218) 729-0651
https://www.weather.gov/duluth

Justin Titus, modified 27 Days ago.

RE: Update VLAB Training Page with "new" version of Edit Retention docs?

Padawan Posts: 38 Join Date: 10/24/15 Recent Posts

Hi Kevin,

Thank you for the kind and encouraging words.

Here's the link to the training document featuring the latest and greatest!

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1MPNDP_DsS0c3TVvUPAYbm78PNVfTUrGaYZJoHaKfFcQ/edit?tab=t.0

Thanks!

Justin Titus

ForecastBuilder Program Lead

Senior Forecaster

NWS WFO Springfield, MO

On Thu, Feb 26, 2026 at 7:08 PM Kevin Huyck <VLab.Notifications@noaa.gov> wrote:

Hi, folks.

Thank you for your help over the years. Despite my occasional grumbling, I am grateful for the work of the team. ForecastBuilder is a wonderful tool and greatly simplifies the forecast process. From my perspective it almost makes the process too easy, which is the source of frustration when things don't " just work". That is a real testament to the great work you all have done.

In light of the increased reliance on EditRetention as part of the WPC 4-7 paradigm, I wanted to review my understanding of EditRetention. Upon reviewing the Edit Retention docs available at https://vlab.noaa.gov/web/forecastbuilder/training I noticed they seemed out of date.

I would be grateful if the team could update the Training Page to include the latest version of the EditRetention documentation and think it would be welcome by the field. These are the documents I located. If these are also out of date, please share the location of the latest documentation.

Edit Retention 2.0 Quick Guide - https://docs.google.com/presentation/u/0/d/1kj8y-5pR9Zjbh3HNwsto33qxGYfbUAb6aWW0JKl17Ik/edit?usp=sharing

Edit Retention 2.0 "Updates" - https://docs.google.com/presentation/u/0/d/1KDzu6q2qlo7wupmT19nZ307K9Kf_6FsBZ4NKgD3rJyY/edit?usp=sharing

Thank you, again.

With gratitude and appreciation,

Kevin Huyck - KB9WOB
Meteorologist, NOAA/National Weather Service
kevin.huyck@noaa.gov

5027 Miller Trunk Highway
Duluth, MN 55811-1442
(218) 729-0651
https://www.weather.gov/duluth

Virtual Lab Message Boards https://vlab.noaa.gov/web/forecastbuilder/forums/-/message_boards/view_message/49704198 VLab.Notifications@noaa.gov http://vlab.noaa.gov

Kevin Huyck, modified 25 Days ago.

RE: Update VLAB Training Page with "new" version of Edit Retention docs?

Youngling Posts: 10 Join Date: 7/6/14 Recent Posts

Hi, Justin.

Thank you for passing that document along.

The two links I referenced in my original email on the Forecast Builder VLAB page are highlighted in the included image. Both of those links point to old materials. It would be helpful if they could be updated to point to the new documentation.

Respectfully,

Kevin Huyck - KB9WOB

Meteorologist, NOAA/National Weather Service

kevin.huyck@noaa.gov

5027 Miller Trunk Highway

Duluth, MN 55811-1442

(218) 729-6697

https://www.weather.gov/duluth

On Sun, Mar 1, 2026 at 6:28 AM Justin Titus <VLab.Notifications@noaa.gov> wrote:

Hi Kevin,

Thank you for the kind and encouraging words.

Here's the link to the training document featuring the latest and greatest!

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1MPNDP_DsS0c3TVvUPAYbm78PNVfTUrGaYZJoHaKfFcQ/edit?tab=t.0

Thanks!

Justin Titus

ForecastBuilder Program Lead

Senior Forecaster

NWS WFO Springfield, MO

On Thu, Feb 26, 2026 at 7:08 PM Kevin Huyck <VLab.Notifications@noaa.gov> wrote:

Hi, folks.

Thank you for your help over the years. Despite my occasional grumbling, I am grateful for the work of the team. ForecastBuilder is a wonderful tool and greatly simplifies the forecast process. From my perspective it almost makes the process too easy, which is the source of frustration when things don't " just work". That is a real testament to the great work you all have done.

In light of the increased reliance on EditRetention as part of the WPC 4-7 paradigm, I wanted to review my understanding of EditRetention. Upon reviewing the Edit Retention docs available at https://vlab.noaa.gov/web/forecastbuilder/training I noticed they seemed out of date.

I would be grateful if the team could update the Training Page to include the latest version of the EditRetention documentation and think it would be welcome by the field. These are the documents I located. If these are also out of date, please share the location of the latest documentation.

Edit Retention 2.0 Quick Guide - https://docs.google.com/presentation/u/0/d/1kj8y-5pR9Zjbh3HNwsto33qxGYfbUAb6aWW0JKl17Ik/edit?usp=sharing

Edit Retention 2.0 "Updates" - https://docs.google.com/presentation/u/0/d/1KDzu6q2qlo7wupmT19nZ307K9Kf_6FsBZ4NKgD3rJyY/edit?usp=sharing

Thank you, again.

With gratitude and appreciation,

Kevin Huyck - KB9WOB
Meteorologist, NOAA/National Weather Service
kevin.huyck@noaa.gov

5027 Miller Trunk Highway
Duluth, MN 55811-1442
(218) 729-0651
https://www.weather.gov/duluth

Virtual Lab Message Boards https://vlab.noaa.gov/web/forecastbuilder/forums/-/message_boards/view_message/49704198 VLab.Notifications@noaa.gov http://vlab.noaa.gov
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Jeffrey Craven, modified 27 Days ago.

RE: Update VLAB Training Page with "new" version of Edit Retention docs?

Youngling Posts: 4 Join Date: 9/24/12 Recent Posts

In light of what is currently underway, I do not think the return on investment in edit retention is worth the effort.

A better return on investment is even more training and best practice on use of DESI/WSUP and its replacement on doing probabilistic IDSS.

Once you stop relying on deterministic grids for messaging the freedom and ease of manuevering is liberating.

Jeff Craven
Meteorologist in Charge
WFO PBZ
National Weather Service
Pittsburgh PA
(412) 522-5176 mobile
(412) 262-1591 ext 222 work

On Thu, Feb 26, 2026 at 8:08 PM Kevin Huyck <VLab.Notifications@noaa.gov> wrote:

Hi, folks.

Thank you for your help over the years. Despite my occasional grumbling, I am grateful for the work of the team. ForecastBuilder is a wonderful tool and greatly simplifies the forecast process. From my perspective it almost makes the process too easy, which is the source of frustration when things don't " just work". That is a real testament to the great work you all have done.

In light of the increased reliance on EditRetention as part of the WPC 4-7 paradigm, I wanted to review my understanding of EditRetention. Upon reviewing the Edit Retention docs available at https://vlab.noaa.gov/web/forecastbuilder/training I noticed they seemed out of date.

I would be grateful if the team could update the Training Page to include the latest version of the EditRetention documentation and think it would be welcome by the field. These are the documents I located. If these are also out of date, please share the location of the latest documentation.

Edit Retention 2.0 Quick Guide - https://docs.google.com/presentation/u/0/d/1kj8y-5pR9Zjbh3HNwsto33qxGYfbUAb6aWW0JKl17Ik/edit?usp=sharing

Edit Retention 2.0 "Updates" - https://docs.google.com/presentation/u/0/d/1KDzu6q2qlo7wupmT19nZ307K9Kf_6FsBZ4NKgD3rJyY/edit?usp=sharing

Thank you, again.

With gratitude and appreciation,

Kevin Huyck - KB9WOB
Meteorologist, NOAA/National Weather Service
kevin.huyck@noaa.gov

5027 Miller Trunk Highway
Duluth, MN 55811-1442
(218) 729-0651
https://www.weather.gov/duluth

Virtual Lab Message Boards https://vlab.noaa.gov/web/forecastbuilder/forums/-/message_boards/view_message/49704198 VLab.Notifications@noaa.gov http://vlab.noaa.gov

Kevin Huyck, modified 25 Days ago.

RE: Update VLAB Training Page with "new" version of Edit Retention docs?

Youngling Posts: 10 Join Date: 7/6/14 Recent Posts

Hi, Jeff.

Thank you for your perspective. There will come a day when Edit Retention is no longer relevant. We're not there yet.

Edit Retention solves a specific problem and supports the end user in a way WSUP can't. WSUP is an excellent tool for messaging forecast probabilities. WSUP/DESI and Edit Retention are complementary tools that address different aspects of the forecast and messaging. Both have their uses and are incorporated into effective forecast production and messaging.

Respectfully,

Kevin Huyck - KB9WOB

Meteorologist, NOAA/National Weather Service

kevin.huyck@noaa.gov

5027 Miller Trunk Highway

Duluth, MN 55811-1442

(218) 729-6697

https://www.weather.gov/duluth

On Sun, Mar 1, 2026 at 10:55 AM Jeffrey Craven <VLab.Notifications@noaa.gov> wrote:

In light of what is currently underway, I do not think the return on investment in edit retention is worth the effort.

A better return on investment is even more training and best practice on use of DESI/WSUP and its replacement on doing probabilistic IDSS.

Once you stop relying on deterministic grids for messaging the freedom and ease of manuevering is liberating.

Jeff Craven
Meteorologist in Charge
WFO PBZ
National Weather Service
Pittsburgh PA
(412) 522-5176 mobile
(412) 262-1591 ext 222 work

On Thu, Feb 26, 2026 at 8:08 PM Kevin Huyck <VLab.Notifications@noaa.gov> wrote:

Hi, folks.

Thank you for your help over the years. Despite my occasional grumbling, I am grateful for the work of the team. ForecastBuilder is a wonderful tool and greatly simplifies the forecast process. From my perspective it almost makes the process too easy, which is the source of frustration when things don't " just work". That is a real testament to the great work you all have done.

In light of the increased reliance on EditRetention as part of the WPC 4-7 paradigm, I wanted to review my understanding of EditRetention. Upon reviewing the Edit Retention docs available at https://vlab.noaa.gov/web/forecastbuilder/training I noticed they seemed out of date.

I would be grateful if the team could update the Training Page to include the latest version of the EditRetention documentation and think it would be welcome by the field. These are the documents I located. If these are also out of date, please share the location of the latest documentation.

Edit Retention 2.0 Quick Guide - https://docs.google.com/presentation/u/0/d/1kj8y-5pR9Zjbh3HNwsto33qxGYfbUAb6aWW0JKl17Ik/edit?usp=sharing

Edit Retention 2.0 "Updates" - https://docs.google.com/presentation/u/0/d/1KDzu6q2qlo7wupmT19nZ307K9Kf_6FsBZ4NKgD3rJyY/edit?usp=sharing

Thank you, again.

With gratitude and appreciation,

Kevin Huyck - KB9WOB
Meteorologist, NOAA/National Weather Service
kevin.huyck@noaa.gov

5027 Miller Trunk Highway
Duluth, MN 55811-1442
(218) 729-0651
https://www.weather.gov/duluth

Virtual Lab Message Boards https://vlab.noaa.gov/web/forecastbuilder/forums/-/message_boards/view_message/49704198 VLab.Notifications@noaa.gov http://vlab.noaa.gov
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David Church, modified 23 Days ago.

RE: Update VLAB Training Page with "new" version of Edit Retention docs?

Youngling Posts: 2 Join Date: 1/8/14 Recent Posts

We have adjusted the VLAB training page to point to the updated Google Doc that Justin shared above. This will ensure folks are always pointed to the latest training material.

On Mon, Mar 2, 2026 at 8:31 PM Kevin Huyck <VLab.Notifications@noaa.gov> wrote:

Hi, Jeff.

Thank you for your perspective. There will come a day when Edit Retention is no longer relevant. We're not there yet.

Edit Retention solves a specific problem and supports the end user in a way WSUP can't. WSUP is an excellent tool for messaging forecast probabilities. WSUP/DESI and Edit Retention are complementary tools that address different aspects of the forecast and messaging. Both have their uses and are incorporated into effective forecast production and messaging.

Respectfully,

Kevin Huyck - KB9WOB

Meteorologist, NOAA/National Weather Service

kevin.huyck@noaa.gov

5027 Miller Trunk Highway

Duluth, MN 55811-1442

(218) 729-6697

https://www.weather.gov/duluth

On Sun, Mar 1, 2026 at 10:55 AM Jeffrey Craven <VLab.Notifications@noaa.gov> wrote:

In light of what is currently underway, I do not think the return on investment in edit retention is worth the effort.

A better return on investment is even more training and best practice on use of DESI/WSUP and its replacement on doing probabilistic IDSS.

Once you stop relying on deterministic grids for messaging the freedom and ease of manuevering is liberating.

Jeff Craven
Meteorologist in Charge
WFO PBZ
National Weather Service
Pittsburgh PA
(412) 522-5176 mobile
(412) 262-1591 ext 222 work

On Thu, Feb 26, 2026 at 8:08 PM Kevin Huyck <VLab.Notifications@noaa.gov> wrote:

Hi, folks.

Thank you for your help over the years. Despite my occasional grumbling, I am grateful for the work of the team. ForecastBuilder is a wonderful tool and greatly simplifies the forecast process. From my perspective it almost makes the process too easy, which is the source of frustration when things don't " just work". That is a real testament to the great work you all have done.

In light of the increased reliance on EditRetention as part of the WPC 4-7 paradigm, I wanted to review my understanding of EditRetention. Upon reviewing the Edit Retention docs available at https://vlab.noaa.gov/web/forecastbuilder/training I noticed they seemed out of date.

I would be grateful if the team could update the Training Page to include the latest version of the EditRetention documentation and think it would be welcome by the field. These are the documents I located. If these are also out of date, please share the location of the latest documentation.

Edit Retention 2.0 Quick Guide - https://docs.google.com/presentation/u/0/d/1kj8y-5pR9Zjbh3HNwsto33qxGYfbUAb6aWW0JKl17Ik/edit?usp=sharing

Edit Retention 2.0 "Updates" - https://docs.google.com/presentation/u/0/d/1KDzu6q2qlo7wupmT19nZ307K9Kf_6FsBZ4NKgD3rJyY/edit?usp=sharing

Thank you, again.

With gratitude and appreciation,

Kevin Huyck - KB9WOB
Meteorologist, NOAA/National Weather Service
kevin.huyck@noaa.gov

5027 Miller Trunk Highway
Duluth, MN 55811-1442
(218) 729-0651
https://www.weather.gov/duluth

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