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Jack Settelmaier, modified 2 Years ago.

All NBMv4.1 PTYPEs viewed at once option?

Youngling Posts: 67 Join Date: 11/2/12 Recent Posts

After watching Andy J's NBM Winter presentation on today's EMC MEG call, I noticed he showed a busy, but visually-stunning AWIPS display showing all 4 NBM v4.1 PTYPE variables on at once.  Maybe each with significant transparency on?

 

In trying to view the equivalent in WSUP, I think I'm seeing one can only view one PTYPE type at a time.  Might there be a way to allow for viewing more than one type (maybe up to all 4) at a time, to allow for some ability to get a broader overview across the possible types?  I think Andy may have shown a 4-panel as part of his slides, so that's one way one can view multiple at a time, but I'm not sure there are any 4-panel display options out there, in WSUP or Big Data Archive Viewer, or is there?

 

If there is something out there, and I'm forgetting in which viewer, please do share where?

 

Thanks for considering.

 

https://wsup.mdl.nws.noaa.gov/?dataset=nbm&version=v4.1&domain=conus&region=conus&viewerMode=latest&element=prbrain&center=-98.3600,38.2500&zoom=5&basemap=Physical&basemapOpac=50&fcstVis=1&fcstOpac=80&pntsVis=1&pntsOpac=100&cntrVis=0&cntrOpac=70&brbsVis=0&brbsOpac=100&artccsVis=0&artccsOpac=80&artccsLw=1&citiesVis=0&citiesOpac=80&citiesFS=8&countiesVis=0&countiesOpac=80&countiesLw=0.4&cspVis=0&cspOpac=100&cwasVis=1&cwasOpac=100&cwasLw=0.5&femaVis=0&femaOpac=80&femaLw=1&firsVis=0&firsOpac=80&firsLw=1.5&firesVis=0&firesOpac=80&fireVisLw=1&gaccVis=0&gaccOpac=80&gaccLw=1.2&highSeasVis=0&highSeasOpac=80&highSeasLw=1&huVis=0&huOpac=80&cmzVis=0&cmzOpac=80&cmzLw=0.5&omzVis=0&omzOpac=80&omzLw=1&popOpac=0&popVis=80&pfzVis=0&pfzOpac=80&pfzLw=0.5&rfcsVis=0&rfcsOpac=80&rfcLw=1&roadsOpac=0&roadsVis=80&roadsLw=1.25&statesVis=1&statesOpac=80&statesLw=1&terrOpac=0&terrVis=80&terrainLw=1&tribalVis=0&tribalOpac=80&tribalLw=1&wicVis=0&wicOpap=100&countriesVis=1&countriesOpac=80&countriesLw=1&brbsZoomReveal=20&cntrZoomReveal=2.3&pntsZoomReveal=20&distUnits=metric&pointFS=8&dispGrats=0&gratStep=5&dispBarbsWFOnly=0&stnBarbs=1&cspFSDelta=0&autoUpdate=0

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Jack Settelmaier, modified 2 Years ago.

RE: All NBMv4.1 PTYPEs viewed at once option?

Youngling Posts: 67 Join Date: 11/2/12 Recent Posts
I DO see this NBM display of Present Weather is possible in the Big Data Viewer, but since I'm not seeing PTYPEs or anything but Conditional Winter Probs, I'm guessing only v4.0 data feeds this viewer presently; perhaps changing once v4.1 become operations in a few weeks?



On Thu, Jan 5, 2023 at 12:04 PM Jack Settelmaier <VLab.Notifications@noaa.gov> wrote:

After watching Andy J's NBM Winter presentation on today's EMC MEG call, I noticed he showed a busy, but visually-stunning AWIPS display showing all 4 NBM v4.1 PTYPE variables on at once.  Maybe each with significant transparency on?

 

In trying to view the equivalent in WSUP, I think I'm seeing one can only view one PTYPE type at a time.  Might there be a way to allow for viewing more than one type (maybe up to all 4) at a time, to allow for some ability to get a broader overview across the possible types?  I think Andy may have shown a 4-panel as part of his slides, so that's one way one can view multiple at a time, but I'm not sure there are any 4-panel display options out there, in WSUP or Big Data Archive Viewer, or is there?

 

If there is something out there, and I'm forgetting in which viewer, please do share where?

 

Thanks for considering.

 

https://wsup.mdl.nws.noaa.gov/?dataset=nbm&version=v4.1&domain=conus&region=conus&viewerMode=latest&element=prbrain&center=-98.3600,38.2500&zoom=5&basemap=Physical&basemapOpac=50&fcstVis=1&fcstOpac=80&pntsVis=1&pntsOpac=100&cntrVis=0&cntrOpac=70&brbsVis=0&brbsOpac=100&artccsVis=0&artccsOpac=80&artccsLw=1&citiesVis=0&citiesOpac=80&citiesFS=8&countiesVis=0&countiesOpac=80&countiesLw=0.4&cspVis=0&cspOpac=100&cwasVis=1&cwasOpac=100&cwasLw=0.5&femaVis=0&femaOpac=80&femaLw=1&firsVis=0&firsOpac=80&firsLw=1.5&firesVis=0&firesOpac=80&fireVisLw=1&gaccVis=0&gaccOpac=80&gaccLw=1.2&highSeasVis=0&highSeasOpac=80&highSeasLw=1&huVis=0&huOpac=80&cmzVis=0&cmzOpac=80&cmzLw=0.5&omzVis=0&omzOpac=80&omzLw=1&popOpac=0&popVis=80&pfzVis=0&pfzOpac=80&pfzLw=0.5&rfcsVis=0&rfcsOpac=80&rfcLw=1&roadsOpac=0&roadsVis=80&roadsLw=1.25&statesVis=1&statesOpac=80&statesLw=1&terrOpac=0&terrVis=80&terrainLw=1&tribalVis=0&tribalOpac=80&tribalLw=1&wicVis=0&wicOpap=100&countriesVis=1&countriesOpac=80&countriesLw=1&brbsZoomReveal=20&cntrZoomReveal=2.3&pntsZoomReveal=20&distUnits=metric&pointFS=8&dispGrats=0&gratStep=5&dispBarbsWFOnly=0&stnBarbs=1&cspFSDelta=0&autoUpdate=0


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Dana Strom, modified 2 Years ago.

RE: All NBMv4.1 PTYPEs viewed at once option?

Youngling Posts: 87 Join Date: 12/8/14 Recent Posts
Hi Jack,

Currently we only show one PType at a time. This is mostly to reduce confusion where there are multiple PTypes in the same location. We do, however, have all of the PTypes available in the second slider so you can quickly move between them. We haven't yet discussed an option allowing all PTypes to be on simultaneously. Do you have an example of an image Andy showed for our reference? 

The Big Data Viewer points to the NODD data bucket which is currently only populated with the Operational NBM. You're correct that when NBM 4.1 becomes operational, this data will become NBM 4.1. Some adjustments will need to be made to add the new NBM 4.1 elements into this page.

WSUP does also offer the "Wx" variable if you're interested in that.

On Thu, Jan 5, 2023 at 1:12 PM Jack Settelmaier <VLab.Notifications@noaa.gov> wrote:
I DO see this NBM display of Present Weather is possible in the Big Data Viewer, but since I'm not seeing PTYPEs or anything but Conditional Winter Probs, I'm guessing only v4.0 data feeds this viewer presently; perhaps changing once v4.1 become operations in a few weeks?



On Thu, Jan 5, 2023 at 12:04 PM Jack Settelmaier <VLab.Notifications@noaa.gov> wrote:

After watching Andy J's NBM Winter presentation on today's EMC MEG call, I noticed he showed a busy, but visually-stunning AWIPS display showing all 4 NBM v4.1 PTYPE variables on at once.  Maybe each with significant transparency on?

 

In trying to view the equivalent in WSUP, I think I'm seeing one can only view one PTYPE type at a time.  Might there be a way to allow for viewing more than one type (maybe up to all 4) at a time, to allow for some ability to get a broader overview across the possible types?  I think Andy may have shown a 4-panel as part of his slides, so that's one way one can view multiple at a time, but I'm not sure there are any 4-panel display options out there, in WSUP or Big Data Archive Viewer, or is there?

 

If there is something out there, and I'm forgetting in which viewer, please do share where?

 

Thanks for considering.

 

https://wsup.mdl.nws.noaa.gov/?dataset=nbm&version=v4.1&domain=conus&region=conus&viewerMode=latest&element=prbrain&center=-98.3600,38.2500&zoom=5&basemap=Physical&basemapOpac=50&fcstVis=1&fcstOpac=80&pntsVis=1&pntsOpac=100&cntrVis=0&cntrOpac=70&brbsVis=0&brbsOpac=100&artccsVis=0&artccsOpac=80&artccsLw=1&citiesVis=0&citiesOpac=80&citiesFS=8&countiesVis=0&countiesOpac=80&countiesLw=0.4&cspVis=0&cspOpac=100&cwasVis=1&cwasOpac=100&cwasLw=0.5&femaVis=0&femaOpac=80&femaLw=1&firsVis=0&firsOpac=80&firsLw=1.5&firesVis=0&firesOpac=80&fireVisLw=1&gaccVis=0&gaccOpac=80&gaccLw=1.2&highSeasVis=0&highSeasOpac=80&highSeasLw=1&huVis=0&huOpac=80&cmzVis=0&cmzOpac=80&cmzLw=0.5&omzVis=0&omzOpac=80&omzLw=1&popOpac=0&popVis=80&pfzVis=0&pfzOpac=80&pfzLw=0.5&rfcsVis=0&rfcsOpac=80&rfcLw=1&roadsOpac=0&roadsVis=80&roadsLw=1.25&statesVis=1&statesOpac=80&statesLw=1&terrOpac=0&terrVis=80&terrainLw=1&tribalVis=0&tribalOpac=80&tribalLw=1&wicVis=0&wicOpap=100&countriesVis=1&countriesOpac=80&countriesLw=1&brbsZoomReveal=20&cntrZoomReveal=2.3&pntsZoomReveal=20&distUnits=metric&pointFS=8&dispGrats=0&gratStep=5&dispBarbsWFOnly=0&stnBarbs=1&cspFSDelta=0&autoUpdate=0


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Jack Settelmaier, modified 2 Years ago.

RE: All NBMv4.1 PTYPEs viewed at once option?

Youngling Posts: 67 Join Date: 11/2/12 Recent Posts
Thanks David T. for the ptvis tip.

And thanks Dana, for the response.  This slide 59 looks to be the one he showed of an AWIPS view.

On Thu, Jan 5, 2023 at 12:26 PM Dana Strom <VLab.Notifications@noaa.gov> wrote:
Hi Jack,

Currently we only show one PType at a time. This is mostly to reduce confusion where there are multiple PTypes in the same location. We do, however, have all of the PTypes available in the second slider so you can quickly move between them. We haven't yet discussed an option allowing all PTypes to be on simultaneously. Do you have an example of an image Andy showed for our reference? 

The Big Data Viewer points to the NODD data bucket which is currently only populated with the Operational NBM. You're correct that when NBM 4.1 becomes operational, this data will become NBM 4.1. Some adjustments will need to be made to add the new NBM 4.1 elements into this page.

WSUP does also offer the "Wx" variable if you're interested in that.

On Thu, Jan 5, 2023 at 1:12 PM Jack Settelmaier <VLab.Notifications@noaa.gov> wrote:
I DO see this NBM display of Present Weather is possible in the Big Data Viewer, but since I'm not seeing PTYPEs or anything but Conditional Winter Probs, I'm guessing only v4.0 data feeds this viewer presently; perhaps changing once v4.1 become operations in a few weeks?



On Thu, Jan 5, 2023 at 12:04 PM Jack Settelmaier <VLab.Notifications@noaa.gov> wrote:

After watching Andy J's NBM Winter presentation on today's EMC MEG call, I noticed he showed a busy, but visually-stunning AWIPS display showing all 4 NBM v4.1 PTYPE variables on at once.  Maybe each with significant transparency on?

 

In trying to view the equivalent in WSUP, I think I'm seeing one can only view one PTYPE type at a time.  Might there be a way to allow for viewing more than one type (maybe up to all 4) at a time, to allow for some ability to get a broader overview across the possible types?  I think Andy may have shown a 4-panel as part of his slides, so that's one way one can view multiple at a time, but I'm not sure there are any 4-panel display options out there, in WSUP or Big Data Archive Viewer, or is there?

 

If there is something out there, and I'm forgetting in which viewer, please do share where?

 

Thanks for considering.

 

https://wsup.mdl.nws.noaa.gov/?dataset=nbm&version=v4.1&domain=conus&region=conus&viewerMode=latest&element=prbrain&center=-98.3600,38.2500&zoom=5&basemap=Physical&basemapOpac=50&fcstVis=1&fcstOpac=80&pntsVis=1&pntsOpac=100&cntrVis=0&cntrOpac=70&brbsVis=0&brbsOpac=100&artccsVis=0&artccsOpac=80&artccsLw=1&citiesVis=0&citiesOpac=80&citiesFS=8&countiesVis=0&countiesOpac=80&countiesLw=0.4&cspVis=0&cspOpac=100&cwasVis=1&cwasOpac=100&cwasLw=0.5&femaVis=0&femaOpac=80&femaLw=1&firsVis=0&firsOpac=80&firsLw=1.5&firesVis=0&firesOpac=80&fireVisLw=1&gaccVis=0&gaccOpac=80&gaccLw=1.2&highSeasVis=0&highSeasOpac=80&highSeasLw=1&huVis=0&huOpac=80&cmzVis=0&cmzOpac=80&cmzLw=0.5&omzVis=0&omzOpac=80&omzLw=1&popOpac=0&popVis=80&pfzVis=0&pfzOpac=80&pfzLw=0.5&rfcsVis=0&rfcsOpac=80&rfcLw=1&roadsOpac=0&roadsVis=80&roadsLw=1.25&statesVis=1&statesOpac=80&statesLw=1&terrOpac=0&terrVis=80&terrainLw=1&tribalVis=0&tribalOpac=80&tribalLw=1&wicVis=0&wicOpap=100&countriesVis=1&countriesOpac=80&countriesLw=1&brbsZoomReveal=20&cntrZoomReveal=2.3&pntsZoomReveal=20&distUnits=metric&pointFS=8&dispGrats=0&gratStep=5&dispBarbsWFOnly=0&stnBarbs=1&cspFSDelta=0&autoUpdate=0


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Digital Forecast Services Division
Meteorological Development Lab
NOAA/National Weather Service

301-427-9451


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David T Miller, modified 2 Years ago.

RE: All NBMv4.1 PTYPEs viewed at once option?

Youngling Posts: 10 Join Date: 11/7/13 Recent Posts

Jack, while this doesn't address what you're asking for in the map display, Precipitation Type in the WSUP point display does show all ptypes at once in the top chart.  Perhaps this could help a bit in the interim?  I'll let others from the WSUP team to address the map display.