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Jack Settelmaier, modified 2 Years ago.

WSUP Comparison time notation for RTMA

Youngling Posts: 67 Join Date: 11/2/12 Recent Posts
I've been doing lots of exploring of all the neat ways you've enabled in WSUP to carve into details of the NBM, NDFD, and RTMA.  Thank you for the developments!

Today, Dec 22nd, in looking at the data for the arctic outbreak across the South Plains, I came across a few things I wanted to run by you.   

I was looking at the 10-hr NDFD Temp forecast (08UTC NDFD issuance) error (relative to the RTMA) at valid time of 18UTC.  I made use of the settings in both the Comparisons window, and also the Display Range options to make the below images. 

I made an overall error image, and then one to only look at too-warm NDFD Temp errors >+8 degF, and then one subsetting to only show errors (from -6 to +6) that are "close/good enough" for timing an arctic front.

First, in the upper right, I was concerned I actually am making use of the 18UTC RTMA data for the error calculation, given how the RTMA data gets labeled as 0800UTC, and not 1800UTC, as it should.  I presume this happens based on the match to the NDFD issuance time, but it SHOULD read 1800UTC. Am I confused, and made my selections wrong, or is that a labeling bug?

Second, though more minor, I LOVE the ability to set the Display Range, but for the error range view, I would kind of like a (DO NOT) Display Range option; in other words to not display any colors for a larger range around zero.






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Jack Settelmaier, modified 2 Years ago.

RE: WSUP Comparison time notation for RTMA

Youngling Posts: 67 Join Date: 11/2/12 Recent Posts
Reply, attempting to get images to attach.


On Thu, Dec 22, 2022 at 3:55 PM Jack Settelmaier <VLab.Notifications@noaa.gov> wrote:
I've been doing lots of exploring of all the neat ways you've enabled in WSUP to carve into details of the NBM, NDFD, and RTMA.  Thank you for the developments!

Today, Dec 22nd, in looking at the data for the arctic outbreak across the South Plains, I came across a few things I wanted to run by you.   

I was looking at the 10-hr NDFD Temp forecast (08UTC NDFD issuance) error (relative to the RTMA) at valid time of 18UTC.  I made use of the settings in both the Comparisons window, and also the Display Range options to make the below images. 

I made an overall error image, and then one to only look at too-warm NDFD Temp errors >+8 degF, and then one subsetting to only show errors (from -6 to +6) that are "close/good enough" for timing an arctic front.

First, in the upper right, I was concerned I actually am making use of the 18UTC RTMA data for the error calculation, given how the RTMA data gets labeled as 0800UTC, and not 1800UTC, as it should.  I presume this happens based on the match to the NDFD issuance time, but it SHOULD read 1800UTC. Am I confused, and made my selections wrong, or is that a labeling bug?

Second, though more minor, I LOVE the ability to set the Display Range, but for the error range view, I would kind of like a (DO NOT) Display Range option; in other words to not display any colors for a larger range around zero.






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Jack Settelmaier

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David Ruth, modified 2 Years ago.

RE: WSUP Comparison time notation for RTMA

Youngling Posts: 32 Join Date: 5/12/15 Recent Posts

Jack,

As I think you know, we fixed the RTMA time label problem shortly after you reported it in December.   Please note that today's WSUP v6.0 release contains the DO NOT display range option your requested.

DR

On 12/22/2022 4:55 PM, Jack Settelmaier wrote:
I've been doing lots of exploring of all the neat ways you've enabled in WSUP to carve into details of the NBM, NDFD, and RTMA.  Thank you for the developments!

Today, Dec 22nd, in looking at the data for the arctic outbreak across the South Plains, I came across a few things I wanted to run by you.   

I was looking at the 10-hr NDFD Temp forecast (08UTC NDFD issuance) error (relative to the RTMA) at valid time of 18UTC.  I made use of the settings in both the Comparisons window, and also the Display Range options to make the below images. 

I made an overall error image, and then one to only look at too-warm NDFD Temp errors >+8 degF, and then one subsetting to only show errors (from -6 to +6) that are "close/good enough" for timing an arctic front.

First, in the upper right, I was concerned I actually am making use of the 18UTC RTMA data for the error calculation, given how the RTMA data gets labeled as 0800UTC, and not 1800UTC, as it should.  I presume this happens based on the match to the NDFD issuance time, but it SHOULD read 1800UTC. Am I confused, and made my selections wrong, or is that a labeling bug?

Second, though more minor, I LOVE the ability to set the Display Range, but for the error range view, I would kind of like a (DO NOT) Display Range option; in other words to not display any colors for a larger range around zero.


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Jack Settelmaier

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