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Jack Settelmaier, modified 3 Years ago.

More Archive, Box/Whisker label separation

Youngling Posts: 67 Join Date: 11/2/12 Recent Posts
Are there any plans to expand the number of days/cycles available in the WSUP NBM 1D Viewer?  I note that one can go back about 2 months in the older ESRL variant of the WAVE 1D viewer.

I also note you display each and every NBM run/cycle, vs every 6 hour run.  Maybe you can move to just show every 6 hours, within your space constraints?  Also, I don't see any MaxT/MinT Observations ever get plotted, as they do in the ESRL version.  Might that be coming?


Second, as I was using the feature to label the box and whisker edges, it appears that rather than only showing sampling for MaxT or MinT, it appears to always show labels from each, which kind of clutters the sampling/display.  Maybe it's due to time overlap, and can't be altered to only show one, but maybe it can?

image.png

Lastly, not directly related to WSUP, but is there a plain language description of each and every field in the NBM's output GRIB files?  A software routine of mine is choking on decoding some of the fields in the GRIB file, perhaps for not having up to date GRIB tables for the complex codes you use.  

Thanks for all you do!  
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Jack Settelmaier
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Dana Strom, modified 3 Years ago.

RE: More Archive, Box/Whisker label separation

Youngling Posts: 87 Join Date: 12/8/14 Recent Posts
Hi Jack,

We realize that an extended archive would be welcomed for the WSUP NBM 1D Viewer. We are discussing possible solutions internally to see if we can make this happen.

We display every hour because certain elements are only available at non-synotpic hours. Some elements are available on the synoptic hours. Some elements run at synoptic+1 hours. To be able to understand what the NBM is doing at all times during the day and for all elements, we chose to show every hour to be the most transparent with regards to the data. It also helps the NBM team find any issues that may show up on non-synoptic hours.

With regards to the MaxT/MinT observations, I believe those observations would come out after the data we show (last 24 hours) ages off. 

"Second, as I was using the feature to label the box and whisker edges, it appears that rather than only showing sampling for MaxT or MinT, it appears to always show labels from each, which kind of clutters the sampling/display.  Maybe it's due to time overlap, and can't be altered to only show one, but maybe it can?" 
-- Your image didn't come through here. I'm afraid it's not totally clear what you mean by this. Can you elaborate?

I'm going to defer to Jeff's team for any plain language description of each field in the GRIB. Which specific gribs are you using? The big data project's archive?

Thanks for the feedback!
Dana

On Wed, Feb 23, 2022 at 3:38 PM Jack Settelmaier <VLab.Notifications@noaa.gov> wrote:
Are there any plans to expand the number of days/cycles available in the WSUP NBM 1D Viewer?  I note that one can go back about 2 months in the older ESRL variant of the WAVE 1D viewer.

I also note you display each and every NBM run/cycle, vs every 6 hour run.  Maybe you can move to just show every 6 hours, within your space constraints?  Also, I don't see any MaxT/MinT Observations ever get plotted, as they do in the ESRL version.  Might that be coming?


Second, as I was using the feature to label the box and whisker edges, it appears that rather than only showing sampling for MaxT or MinT, it appears to always show labels from each, which kind of clutters the sampling/display.  Maybe it's due to time overlap, and can't be altered to only show one, but maybe it can?

image.png

Lastly, not directly related to WSUP, but is there a plain language description of each and every field in the NBM's output GRIB files?  A software routine of mine is choking on decoding some of the fields in the GRIB file, perhaps for not having up to date GRIB tables for the complex codes you use.  

Thanks for all you do!  
--
Jack Settelmaier

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Dana Strom
Visualization Task Lead
Digital Forecast Services Division
Meteorological Development Lab
NOAA/National Weather Service

301-427-9451

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Dana Strom, modified 3 Years ago.

RE: More Archive, Box/Whisker label separation

Youngling Posts: 87 Join Date: 12/8/14 Recent Posts
Jack, this reference might help you with the plain language to the GRIB2 id. 


Hope this helps!

On Fri, Feb 25, 2022 at 8:06 AM Dana Strom <VLab.Notifications@noaa.gov> wrote:
Hi Jack,

We realize that an extended archive would be welcomed for the WSUP NBM 1D Viewer. We are discussing possible solutions internally to see if we can make this happen.

We display every hour because certain elements are only available at non-synotpic hours. Some elements are available on the synoptic hours. Some elements run at synoptic+1 hours. To be able to understand what the NBM is doing at all times during the day and for all elements, we chose to show every hour to be the most transparent with regards to the data. It also helps the NBM team find any issues that may show up on non-synoptic hours.

With regards to the MaxT/MinT observations, I believe those observations would come out after the data we show (last 24 hours) ages off. 

"Second, as I was using the feature to label the box and whisker edges, it appears that rather than only showing sampling for MaxT or MinT, it appears to always show labels from each, which kind of clutters the sampling/display.  Maybe it's due to time overlap, and can't be altered to only show one, but maybe it can?" 
-- Your image didn't come through here. I'm afraid it's not totally clear what you mean by this. Can you elaborate?

I'm going to defer to Jeff's team for any plain language description of each field in the GRIB. Which specific gribs are you using? The big data project's archive?

Thanks for the feedback!
Dana

On Wed, Feb 23, 2022 at 3:38 PM Jack Settelmaier <VLab.Notifications@noaa.gov> wrote:
Are there any plans to expand the number of days/cycles available in the WSUP NBM 1D Viewer?  I note that one can go back about 2 months in the older ESRL variant of the WAVE 1D viewer.

I also note you display each and every NBM run/cycle, vs every 6 hour run.  Maybe you can move to just show every 6 hours, within your space constraints?  Also, I don't see any MaxT/MinT Observations ever get plotted, as they do in the ESRL version.  Might that be coming?


Second, as I was using the feature to label the box and whisker edges, it appears that rather than only showing sampling for MaxT or MinT, it appears to always show labels from each, which kind of clutters the sampling/display.  Maybe it's due to time overlap, and can't be altered to only show one, but maybe it can?

image.png

Lastly, not directly related to WSUP, but is there a plain language description of each and every field in the NBM's output GRIB files?  A software routine of mine is choking on decoding some of the fields in the GRIB file, perhaps for not having up to date GRIB tables for the complex codes you use.  

Thanks for all you do!  
--
Jack Settelmaier

--
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Dana Strom
Visualization Task Lead
Digital Forecast Services Division
Meteorological Development Lab
NOAA/National Weather Service

301-427-9451


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Dana Strom Whole Story Uncertainty & Probabilities Viewer Virtual Lab Forum http://vlab.noaa.gov/web/wsup/forums/-/message_boards/view_message/20842414VLab.Notifications@noaa.gov


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Dana Strom
Visualization Task Lead
Digital Forecast Services Division
Meteorological Development Lab
NOAA/National Weather Service

301-427-9451

JS
Jack Settelmaier, modified 3 Years ago.

RE: More Archive, Box/Whisker label separation

Youngling Posts: 67 Join Date: 11/2/12 Recent Posts
Thanks Dana for the responses.  

Yes, I was referring to the NBM GRIB2 data on AWS.  
I initially ran into issues decoding the names of the elements in the NOAA Weather and Climate Toolkit, but then also had some issues in pointing to that data and processing in the METplus training class I'm in, as I was trying to understand how to sum QPFs.  I'm sure the tables you refer to will be helpful, but more explicitly I was hoping to see an ordered list of which field is output for each forecast hour.  I'm sure that can be gotten from wgrib-like dumps, but I was curious if something simple existed, from the generation end.

Here's an attempt to insert the graphic I may have forgotten to add to my original post about the box/whisker labeling.  As one rolls left and right over the image, the labels appear for BOTH MaxT and MinT data, which clutters a bit much.  Even stretching the X axis does not seem to eliminate it.    


  

On Fri, Feb 25, 2022 at 7:52 AM Dana Strom <VLab.Notifications@noaa.gov> wrote:
Jack, this reference might help you with the plain language to the GRIB2 id. 


Hope this helps!

On Fri, Feb 25, 2022 at 8:06 AM Dana Strom <VLab.Notifications@noaa.gov> wrote:
Hi Jack,

We realize that an extended archive would be welcomed for the WSUP NBM 1D Viewer. We are discussing possible solutions internally to see if we can make this happen.

We display every hour because certain elements are only available at non-synotpic hours. Some elements are available on the synoptic hours. Some elements run at synoptic+1 hours. To be able to understand what the NBM is doing at all times during the day and for all elements, we chose to show every hour to be the most transparent with regards to the data. It also helps the NBM team find any issues that may show up on non-synoptic hours.

With regards to the MaxT/MinT observations, I believe those observations would come out after the data we show (last 24 hours) ages off. 

"Second, as I was using the feature to label the box and whisker edges, it appears that rather than only showing sampling for MaxT or MinT, it appears to always show labels from each, which kind of clutters the sampling/display.  Maybe it's due to time overlap, and can't be altered to only show one, but maybe it can?" 
-- Your image didn't come through here. I'm afraid it's not totally clear what you mean by this. Can you elaborate?

I'm going to defer to Jeff's team for any plain language description of each field in the GRIB. Which specific gribs are you using? The big data project's archive?

Thanks for the feedback!
Dana

On Wed, Feb 23, 2022 at 3:38 PM Jack Settelmaier <VLab.Notifications@noaa.gov> wrote:
Are there any plans to expand the number of days/cycles available in the WSUP NBM 1D Viewer?  I note that one can go back about 2 months in the older ESRL variant of the WAVE 1D viewer.

I also note you display each and every NBM run/cycle, vs every 6 hour run.  Maybe you can move to just show every 6 hours, within your space constraints?  Also, I don't see any MaxT/MinT Observations ever get plotted, as they do in the ESRL version.  Might that be coming?


Second, as I was using the feature to label the box and whisker edges, it appears that rather than only showing sampling for MaxT or MinT, it appears to always show labels from each, which kind of clutters the sampling/display.  Maybe it's due to time overlap, and can't be altered to only show one, but maybe it can?

image.png

Lastly, not directly related to WSUP, but is there a plain language description of each and every field in the NBM's output GRIB files?  A software routine of mine is choking on decoding some of the fields in the GRIB file, perhaps for not having up to date GRIB tables for the complex codes you use.  

Thanks for all you do!  
--
Jack Settelmaier

--
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Dana Strom
Visualization Task Lead
Digital Forecast Services Division
Meteorological Development Lab
NOAA/National Weather Service

301-427-9451


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--
Dana Strom
Visualization Task Lead
Digital Forecast Services Division
Meteorological Development Lab
NOAA/National Weather Service

301-427-9451


--
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