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Jack Settelmaier, modified 3 Years ago.

Access/WIC/RunAccumQPF

Youngling Posts: 67 Join Date: 11/2/12 Recent Posts

1) WSUP is still only viewable via NOAA login, right? Any plans to open it up to outside folks (partners at least)?

2) For the WIC content, I've only recently been exploring it, but have read some of the posts others have made and the refinements made. Great stuff. While I like that the WIC has been incorporated, I was wondering about any ways one can just peruse the WIC content, sort of more directly, to not have to go through all the mapping toggles. Something like how the stand-alone WIC was/is where one can rather quickly peruse a colorized visual summary of multiple days (a week) to get that overview of which days are the "hot" ones to then explore in more detail.

3) Lastly, I've asked before here and you've told me it's more an item for NBM folks, but as you've kindly built in displays of multiple periods of QPF/PQPF into WSUP, is it too much to ask that some of those multiple-period QPF data also become available, as part of the post-processing, to get included in the NBM output GRIB/geoTIFF files, so that users could, for example, go to an FcstHour=120 files and have a multiple-period QPF data and not have to sum across many files. I think JUST having, at least, RunAccum QPF fields in each file would be great to more quickly see some sums, for users coming at the data not via a viewer.

Thanks for all the continuous version updates in WSUP!

I also love the growth in the number of GEFS output field to peruse.

As I heard on today's NOAA AI session from a gent from the UKMET, to have AI available to do data-prep, organizing, and thinning of our huge volumes of data is a real need these, data-rich days.

David Ruth, modified 3 Years ago.

RE: Access/WIC/RunAccumQPF

Youngling Posts: 32 Join Date: 5/12/15 Recent Posts

Jack,

Thanks for your interest in WSUP.

1) The WSUP prototype is being developed to investigate the feasibility of using the public cloud to visually convey whole story uncertainty and probabilistic forecast information to NWS forecast offices nationwide that is currently only available on supercomputers at the National Centers for Environmental Prediction (NCEP). A few Gov't partners have specifically requested and been granted access to assist in the evaluation of the WSUP prototype. This requires the creation of special accounts and passwords for them. We have not been asked to allow access to WSUP beyond this and currently have no plans to do so. We do not want users to become operationally dependent on a prototype capability.

2) WSUP release 3.2 in July provided Weather-In-Context content in the Map Viewer. A release later this month will provide Weather-in-Context content within WSUP Point Visualization. When this is done, we will consider requests for other WIC functionality in accordance with FY22 AOP milestones.

3) I recommend submitting this request to the Feedback on National Blend of Models forum. A request like this would be better received coming from the field rather than a division of MDL.

On 9/15/2021 2:31 PM, Jack Settelmaier wrote:

1) WSUP is still only viewable via NOAA login, right? Any plans to open it up to outside folks (partners at least)?

2) For the WIC content, I've only recently been exploring it, but have read some of the posts others have made and the refinements made. Great stuff. While I like that the WIC has been incorporated, I was wondering about any ways one can just peruse the WIC content, sort of more directly, to not have to go through all the mapping toggles. Something like how the stand-alone WIC was/is where one can rather quickly peruse a colorized visual summary of multiple days (a week) to get that overview of which days are the "hot" ones to then explore in more detail.

3) Lastly, I've asked before here and you've told me it's more an item for NBM folks, but as you've kindly built in displays of multiple periods of QPF/PQPF into WSUP, is it too much to ask that some of those multiple-period QPF data also become available, as part of the post-processing, to get included in the NBM output GRIB/geoTIFF files, so that users could, for example, go to an FcstHour=120 files and have a multiple-period QPF data and not have to sum across many files. I think JUST having, at least, RunAccum QPF fields in each file would be great to more quickly see some sums, for users coming at the data not via a viewer.

Thanks for all the continuous version updates in WSUP!

I also love the growth in the number of GEFS output field to peruse.

As I heard on today's NOAA AI session from a gent from the UKMET, to have AI available to do data-prep, organizing, and thinning of our huge volumes of data is a real need these, data-rich days.

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Jack Settelmaier, modified 3 Years ago.

RE: Access/WIC/RunAccumQPF

Youngling Posts: 67 Join Date: 11/2/12 Recent Posts

Thanks DR,

1) When does the prototype period end? Has the flavor of those government partners' feedback differed much from what is shared in this forum?

2) Thank you, I will check out the MDL folder here for anything related to WSUP.

3) Will do, if I haven't done so already.

Jack

On Wed, Sep 15, 2021 at 7:47 PM David Ruth <VLab.Notifications@noaa.gov> wrote:

Jack,

Thanks for your interest in WSUP.

1) The WSUP prototype is being developed to investigate the feasibility of using the public cloud to visually convey whole story uncertainty and probabilistic forecast information to NWS forecast offices nationwide that is currently only available on supercomputers at the National Centers for Environmental Prediction (NCEP). A few Gov't partners have specifically requested and been granted access to assist in the evaluation of the WSUP prototype.   This requires the creation of special accounts and passwords for them.   We have not been asked to allow access to WSUP beyond this and currently have no plans to do so.   We do not want users to become operationally dependent on a prototype capability.

2) WSUP release 3.2 in July provided Weather-In-Context content in the Map Viewer.   A release later this month will provide Weather-in-Context content within WSUP Point Visualization.    When this is done, we will consider requests for other WIC functionality in accordance with FY22 AOP milestones.

3) I recommend submitting this request to the Feedback on National Blend of Models forum.   A request like this would be better received coming from the field rather than a division of MDL.

DR

On 9/15/2021 2:31 PM, Jack Settelmaier wrote:

1) WSUP is still only viewable via NOAA login, right? Any plans to open it up to outside folks (partners at least)?

2) For the WIC content, I've only recently been exploring it, but have read some of the posts others have made and the refinements made. Great stuff. While I like that the WIC has been incorporated, I was wondering about any ways one can just peruse the WIC content, sort of more directly, to not have to go through all the mapping toggles. Something like how the stand-alone WIC was/is where one can rather quickly peruse a colorized visual summary of multiple days (a week) to get that overview of which days are the "hot" ones to then explore in more detail.

3) Lastly, I've asked before here and you've told me it's more an item for NBM folks, but as you've kindly built in displays of multiple periods of QPF/PQPF into WSUP, is it too much to ask that some of those multiple-period QPF data also become available, as part of the post-processing, to get included in the NBM output GRIB/geoTIFF files, so that users could, for example, go to an FcstHour=120 files and have a multiple-period QPF data and not have to sum across many files. I think JUST having, at least, RunAccum QPF fields in each file would be great to more quickly see some sums, for users coming at the data not via a viewer.

Thanks for all the continuous version updates in WSUP!

I also love the growth in the number of GEFS output field to peruse.

As I heard on today's NOAA AI session from a gent from the UKMET, to have AI available to do data-prep, organizing, and thinning of our huge volumes of data is a real need these, data-rich days.

David Ruth, modified 3 Years ago.

RE: Access/WIC/RunAccumQPF

Youngling Posts: 32 Join Date: 5/12/15 Recent Posts

Jack,

1) The WSUP prototype is intended to inform future AWIPS-in-the-Cloud development. It should continue for as long as there are valuable lessons the NWS can learn from using the Public Cloud for this purpose. So far, feedback from Gov't partners has been very similar to that received from forecasters. An example suggestion from a Gov't partner (state.co.us) was to add an option to plot wind barbs at gridpoints rather than just METAR locations. The email was received on March 9 and that capability was then included in version 3.0 less than a month later. Another suggestion from a Gov't partner (blm.gov) was to add GACC Boundaries as an optional GIS layer. The email request was received December 1. The new layer was included in WSUP on December 7. Such is the power of working on a prototype rather than an operational NWS system, where changes like this could easily take months or even years to release.

2) The AOP write-ups provide our high level milestones. We flesh out the details based on your feedback as the prototype proceeds.

On 9/16/2021 8:53 AM, Jack Settelmaier wrote:

Thanks DR,

1) When does the prototype period end? Has the flavor of those government partners' feedback differed much from what is shared in this forum?

2) Thank you, I will check out the MDL folder here for anything related to WSUP.

3) Will do, if I haven't done so already.

Jack

On Wed, Sep 15, 2021 at 7:47 PM David Ruth <VLab.Notifications@noaa.gov> wrote:

Jack,

Thanks for your interest in WSUP.

1) The WSUP prototype is being developed to investigate the feasibility of using the public cloud to visually convey whole story uncertainty and probabilistic forecast information to NWS forecast offices nationwide that is currently only available on supercomputers at the National Centers for Environmental Prediction (NCEP). A few Gov't partners have specifically requested and been granted access to assist in the evaluation of the WSUP prototype.   This requires the creation of special accounts and passwords for them.   We have not been asked to allow access to WSUP beyond this and currently have no plans to do so.   We do not want users to become operationally dependent on a prototype capability.

2) WSUP release 3.2 in July provided Weather-In-Context content in the Map Viewer.   A release later this month will provide Weather-in-Context content within WSUP Point Visualization.    When this is done, we will consider requests for other WIC functionality in accordance with FY22 AOP milestones.

3) I recommend submitting this request to the Feedback on National Blend of Models forum.   A request like this would be better received coming from the field rather than a division of MDL.

DR

On 9/15/2021 2:31 PM, Jack Settelmaier wrote:

1) WSUP is still only viewable via NOAA login, right? Any plans to open it up to outside folks (partners at least)?

2) For the WIC content, I've only recently been exploring it, but have read some of the posts others have made and the refinements made. Great stuff. While I like that the WIC has been incorporated, I was wondering about any ways one can just peruse the WIC content, sort of more directly, to not have to go through all the mapping toggles. Something like how the stand-alone WIC was/is where one can rather quickly peruse a colorized visual summary of multiple days (a week) to get that overview of which days are the "hot" ones to then explore in more detail.

3) Lastly, I've asked before here and you've told me it's more an item for NBM folks, but as you've kindly built in displays of multiple periods of QPF/PQPF into WSUP, is it too much to ask that some of those multiple-period QPF data also become available, as part of the post-processing, to get included in the NBM output GRIB/geoTIFF files, so that users could, for example, go to an FcstHour=120 files and have a multiple-period QPF data and not have to sum across many files. I think JUST having, at least, RunAccum QPF fields in each file would be great to more quickly see some sums, for users coming at the data not via a viewer.

Thanks for all the continuous version updates in WSUP!

I also love the growth in the number of GEFS output field to peruse.

As I heard on today's NOAA AI session from a gent from the UKMET, to have AI available to do data-prep, organizing, and thinning of our huge volumes of data is a real need these, data-rich days.

--
Jack Settelmaier Whole Story Uncertainty & Probabilities Viewer Virtual Lab Forum http://vlab.noaa.gov/web/wsup/forums/-/message_boards/view_message/17576495 VLab.Notifications@noaa.gov